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Post by Hansel on May 2, 2013 12:43:56 GMT -5
Congrats on final 4 you guys! (or two? Idk, I'm confused. Math was my weakest subject in school cause it SUCKS).
Anywho. Chloe. We talked like 3 times in pm, close to the end of my time in the game, no other way to put it. Cal, I know who you are, but sadly you were barely around in this game and I know had you been more into this game you would have had a more obvious better chance to win.
Trent, never talked. Hi.
Holden, started from the bottomnow you here same tribe, you got stuck with an inactive, you were a good ally, made a smart move in marrying, clicked with the right group at the right time to get to where you are. I liked you in our few chats, you seemed to have a good head on your shoulder, I was just never on much to talk more and cultivate and grow that relationship because of school and work and all that jazz. (Probably would have been out earlier because if I had more time to put into this game I would have been perceived as an even bigger threat, haha, but nice to see people still thought I was hot shit regardless, lol).
So,I'm gonna be straight up with y'all. If I was voting for an individual, my rankings pre-questions would be:
1) Holden
2) Chloe
3) Cal
4) Trent.
Since I have to vote for a pair, things get tricky. So, Imma expect both people from each pair to answer them because I like variety and then I'll make my final decision. Please wow me!
1) Why do you deserve to win over the other pair? What did you do that was better, and what were some big mistakes the other person made in the game that is going to cost them here?
2) Who would you rather be sitting next to in the final two if you had the choice and why(can't pick the person currently sitting next to you)
3) Which two pairs (other then you two) deserve to be in the final two and why
4) If you were on the jury, would you vote for the other person/pair based on how they played the game and their opening or no?
5) Rank the jury from the biggest to the least threat to your end game and why
6) FOR FUN - compare me and Gretel to who you think I reminded you from Harpers Island (or another well known TV Series like Walking Dead or Revenge - please run it by me first for my approval because I would like it to be something I've seen), and compare me to somebody from Survivor as well. Explain why for both.
Good luck killuhs
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 2, 2013 13:21:13 GMT -5
I think we deserve to win because we overcame more. Holden & Trent were never seen as a target and were never fighting for the lives in this game. Yes they married to get an idol, but how did that ever help them? It didn't so I'm not sure how it's a pro for them to win. Cal & I started in our original tribe in the minority (as everyone was in a pre-tribal alliance, to their own admittance at the time) and worked our way into the fold and survive. Come merge, we had targets and would've gone home early had we not taken the effort and time to change the course and we did it without any idols, divorcing or remarrying. I think their biggest mistake in this game is not stepping out as individuals and doing their own thing; making their own moves. At the end of the day they just didn't pop out. They're double scoops of vanilla who played a dull game, lead by those who did. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's the only way I know how to describe what I mean. So can't pick any of the other 3? Hm. Well, if I go based on deserving then I'd probably go for Dexter. I just feel he did a lot in this game. It's why we voted him to be there instead of up here. However, if I go based on who I'd WANT to sit next to...it'd be Lucinda. Simple reason. Easy win. xD Easy. Dexter/Talla & Hansel/Gretel. You guys were just the most standout and the strongest of competitors. Over Dexter/Talla? No. I honestly feel they just did what they were told. The moment we hit merge Trent seemed to have dropped us and both Cal and I thought it was cause he ran to a pregame. Not but a couple rounds later he marries Holden, who we already felt was just following Dexter. And if you look at their games they DID just vote however Dexter did, never making their own moves or taking any kind of stand. So no. I adore them both, but against Dexter/Talla it's a no brainer for me and that's why we voted the way we did. - Dexter/Talla
I felt they were running the show and would've won in a landslide had they made finale.
- Hansel/Gretel
At the start of merge, I thought you guys were the ring leaders. I knew you were dangerous, socially & strength. I admittedly never thought Dexter would go for voting you guys when we went for it either.
- R & Juliet
When voting them out failed the first time I just felt like it was hopeless (voting them out). They seemed to have the numbers, especially when I heard afterward that they had set alliances in place (which is what helped us convince Dexter to help us).
- Holden/Trent
No idea where they stood or how loyal they'd be.
- Anka
You had Lucinda, who was hated by everyone. Sorry luv, but not a threat in the slightest because of this.  If you were alone, it would probably be a different story.
Hm. Firm people. Strong, bold. You both seem intelligent and capable of biting your tongue, but if I recall...Hansel is more open to speaking up. So based on all this... From Harper's Island I'd say Shea & Thomas. From Walking Dead I'd say Michonne & Daryl. From Survivor I'd say Malcolm & Denise. Sorry to say, I've never seen Revenge. |
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Post by Hansel on May 2, 2013 14:57:07 GMT -5
haha didn't have to do it for every show I listed, just gave you more options in case you didn't watch one of them, but thank you.
For future reference for the others, just ONE comparison from one of those shows PLUS survivor and an explanation why will suffice.
Thanks Chloe.
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 2, 2013 18:05:12 GMT -5
Oh I must've misread. lol Sorry.  |
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Post by Holden McCrea on May 3, 2013 6:50:08 GMT -5
Holden, started from the bottomnow you here same tribe, you got stuck with an inactive, you were a good ally, made a smart move in marrying, clicked with the right group at the right time to get to where you are. I liked you in our few chats, you seemed to have a good head on your shoulder, I was just never on much to talk more and cultivate and grow that relationship because of school and work and all that jazz. (Probably would have been out earlier because if I had more time to put into this game I would have been perceived as an even bigger threat, haha, but nice to see people still thought I was hot shit regardless, lol). 1) Why do you deserve to win over the other pair? What did you do that was better, and what were some big mistakes the other person made in the game that is going to cost them here? ~ I hate to use the word deserving because in a sense each one of us could deserve to win this game. I believe that our gameplay has made us the frontrunners to win this game because of the moves I made in order to ensure that I would stick around. Chloe is right they had more to overcome, HOWEVER I was an individual since the beginning of this game and was almost an individual near the end of this game. I had an inactive partner, so to discredit the "original partner" thing, there is no point in me keeping dead weight if my parnter is going to be the reason why I get booted out. I talked with Tallahassee & Dexter throughout the season to see what the next moves should be, so the fact that I was a part in deciding who would be going and when was what is better on my part. I had to wait for the perfect time to get married to get an idol because I didn't want to be seen as a target until the right time with numbers.
There big mistakes, well that they didn't really make any moves in the game...The people who made major moves were all from EROS because we discussed blindsides, the possible boot order, and other possible twists that would occur. Cal & Chloe stayed out of the goodwill of the rest of us, they could have been booted at any time (Sorry its the truth, you were in no position at any time)... Dexter can back me up on this when I said, I want those who to deserve to stay to stay until their time is up....for Cal & Chloe they earned their time over some others. They're a great team/couple, however another big mistake is their game is just there nothing spectacular coming from their strategy.
2) Who would you rather be sitting next to in the final two if you had the choice and why(can't pick the person currently sitting next to you) ~ Hm...this is hard between Dexter and Hansel...Dexter, I love ya buddy, but I would have to choose Hansel because I like to argue in some cases and in this one I would like to go a few rounds with Hansel to see what arguments of He said, She said, He said...lol...Hansel had he stayed could have made destruction occur within this game and make it into chaos  3) Which two pairs (other then you two) deserve to be in the final two and why ~ I have to call them like I see'em, Hansel/Gretel & Tallahassee/Dexter, for already stated they were strong competitors and very strategical, so they would have to be the replacements.4) If you were on the jury, would you vote for the other person/pair based on how they played the game and their opening or no? ~ For me yes because every person has a mind of their own and the decisions they make has consequences. Did we all consult each other before voting, yea, who doesn't do that? You have to have the ability to separate people and see each of their approaches through the game which is only fair.5) Rank the jury from the biggest to the least threat to your end game and why - Hansel/Gretel, already mentioned before, but you guys were a threat in all areas: challenge, social, and strategy.
- Tallahassee/Dexter, you guys were strong in the social and strategy aspect, plus everyone loves you both
-Anka, your dangerous because no one will ever know what your capable of doing.
-Julie & R, I couldn't get a read on you, but from the small bits I do know...I don't think you posed a threat to me?6) FOR FUN - compare me and Gretel to who you think I reminded you from Harpers Island (or another well known TV Series like Walking Dead or Revenge - please run it by me first for my approval because I would like it to be something I've seen), and compare me to somebody from Survivor as well. Explain why for both. ~ Shane from Walking Dead for you Hansel because he is a bit of a hot head, but a hot hot head He's strong, a bit rash and aggressive, but he's a leaders nonetheless. For Gretel, I chose Emily Thorne from Revenge because after the Julie/R vote, I saw the revenge side of Gretel for what had happened, she wanted to do what she could to get revenge.
I will go with Ozzy from Micronesia because he is a strength in challenges, great social game, and good strategics, but he was blindsided by a vote so...yea. and for Gretel I will go with Katie Gallagher from Palau because she was somebody who was there and stirred the pot a bit with stuff. |
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 3, 2013 8:02:00 GMT -5
Sorry, but I have to step in and defend myself a bit. Every negative claim against us you just made...the EXACT can be same for you. You didn't make any moves and I highly doubt you helped decide any of the votes. You didn't do anything but what Dexter told you. We didn't do that. We went to Dexter with who WE wanted to vote and worked to convince him. It was us who plead him to go against R & Julie by spilling his allies and maybe exaggerating them a bit. We knew . We went to him and struck a finale deal and had they won the F3 challenge...we'd still be here in the finale because of OUR effort to secure Dexter on our side. You didn't have NEARLY as much say in this game as you seem to think you did. Ask THAT to Dexter. Then at the end of the game WE made the move to take out the biggest threat of the game. That was again US. Not you or Dexter. And nothing spectacular? The last originally married couple in the game. The last female in the game. Took out the biggest threat. TWICE went from being on the bottom to working our way to the top. That was OUR work. P.S. How is deciding to drop your partner (a guaranteed vote, even when inactive) and going solo...a CHOICE...a reason to vote you? That was your own decision that only hurt you as it gave you 1 less vote on your side. To get an idol you didn't need or use? Sorry, but I don't see how that's a reason to be deserving. I understand your fight and no hard feelings, but I have to fight too. Just part of the game. |
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Post by Dexter Morgan on May 3, 2013 8:07:55 GMT -5
Well i figure it is time for me to step into the light and say something here. Thought Chloe/Cal and I have had our most recent wars in the end of the game Chloe is very much correct. The round that R and Julie went it was yes a decision I wanted to make because they were not doing much for our tribe, but it was Cal who originally came to me to strike a deal. I do give credit that the Lucinda vote to follow was more a discussion between Holden and I. After that the game more sense to be sitting in the finals (fail on my part) to stick close to Chloe and Cal and find ways to justify turning against original Eros. . . whether it be strength or where we stood with loyalty.
Honestly if I could vote for a combination of Holden and Chloe it would not even be a decision for me, for me it comes down to Trent Vs Cal because the other two deserve to win this game. Keep smiling loves..
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Post by Holden McCrea on May 3, 2013 17:24:31 GMT -5
And now I will step in for this, I made moves whether you think so or not, I'm not going to let a couple who is almost in the same situation as us take a win that easy. I made moves (agree, disagree, it's your opinion) and for a fact, I did add to the R & Julie vote, Dexter didn't tell me shit, he would ask, and I would give my input on the situation at that point. Whether you agree or disagree, it wasn't just one person or couple (keep thinking if that's what helps you sleep better at night), but it was a mixture of everyone on that vote.
I can see how that Finale deal worked out for Dexter and his partner. I never claimed to have the ultimate say, but I did have an influence of some sort within each vote. Who said I was spectacular this season? Nobody was spectacular in my opinion.
OK answer this question Chloe, nobody else gets to make the final move besides the person who wins Immunity (in the case of a Final 2), so you can't bring that up when there is no argument to be made. I agree the person who wins the Final Immunity gets to make that final move.
OK...last original married couple in the game? Your point for that is....? You both were active, end of point on that one.
Partner Thing
Dropping my partner is a choice, if I didn't pull my weight on the challenges, I would have been considered for elimination because everyone else was active at that point on our tribe. It didn't hurt me at all...and answer this question, your saying that had I had my partner in the finale, I would have a higher chance of winning? If not, then you can't say that it hindered my strategy because I got this far.
If your saying idols are useless, then I don't know what to say to who without being a jerk...and deny it or not, idols are always a help no matter what. If your saying those of us that were smart to divorce and play as singles and get through parts of the game isn't deserving, then I can see your not as open to how some people play the game.
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 3, 2013 18:18:58 GMT -5
And now I will step in for this, I made moves whether you think so or not, I'm not going to let a couple who is almost in the same situation as us take a win that easy. I made moves (agree, disagree, it's your opinion) and for a fact, I did add to the R & Julie vote, Dexter didn't tell me shit, he would ask, and I would give my input on the situation at that point. Whether you agree or disagree, it wasn't just one person or couple (keep thinking if that's what helps you sleep better at night), but it was a mixture of everyone on that vote. I can see how that Finale deal worked out for Dexter and his partner. I never claimed to have the ultimate say, but I did have an influence of some sort within each vote. Who said I was spectacular this season? Nobody was spectacular in my opinion. OK answer this question Chloe, nobody else gets to make the final move besides the person who wins Immunity (in the case of a Final 2), so you can't bring that up when there is no argument to be made. I agree the person who wins the Final Immunity gets to make that final move. OK...last original married couple in the game? Your point for that is....? You both were active, end of point on that one. Partner Thing Dropping my partner is a choice, if I didn't pull my weight on the challenges, I would have been considered for elimination because everyone else was active at that point on our tribe. It didn't hurt me at all...and answer this question, your saying that had I had my partner in the finale, I would have a higher chance of winning? If not, then you can't say that it hindered my strategy because I got this far. If your saying idols are useless, then I don't know what to say to who without being a jerk...and deny it or not, idols are always a help no matter what. If your saying those of us that were smart to divorce and play as singles and get through parts of the game isn't deserving, then I can see your not as open to how some people play the game. I'm not going on my opinion though. I'm going off the information given to me and what I know to be true. You don't think ANYONE was spectacular? o.O I have to disagree with that. There were plenty of stand outs who I'd love to see return for a FvF season. Not even sure what point you were trying to make with the Final IC comment cause you just backed up my point. WE won that and WE had that say. How do you figure we can't bring that up when it decided 100% who would be sitting here? We're the ones who brought you here. Had we not made a move to take Dexter out...you wouldn't even be here to make your arguments. Last original married couple. That means we held true and stuck together no matter what. It's easier to throw someone away than it is to fight with them. That's my point. So we're in agreement that dropping your partner was a choice. I'm not saying idols are useless. I'm saying YOUR idol was useless. You didn't use it and it didn't give you leverage in the game. You just had one and it went to waste by gathering dust. That's not really impressive IMO. Idols are meant to be used in one fashion or another. You see divorcing as smart. I saw it as dumb in most cases. You say you would've been held back, but how? None of the challenges required BOTH in the pair to compete. Only 1 in the pair had to compete. YOU were very much active...therefore your partner didn't need to do anything. Going solo is still just you doing the challenges, so nothing changed there. YOU could vote...and your partner's vote would auto be the same as yours. How in any way is that a negative? That's why it's dumb. You didn't gain anything. You lost. You made it harder on yourself for no valid reason that I can see. Maybe it's just me though, but the only time I saw divorcing and remarrying to be a smart move was when Dexter & Talla did it, which sped the game up. It took out a pair instantly. That was clever. Not sure that's why they did it, but that's why I'd call it clever. |
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Post by Hansel on May 3, 2013 22:34:30 GMT -5
You two need to get a room
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Post by Holden McCrea on May 4, 2013 0:12:07 GMT -5
I'm not backing up your point on the Finale Choice, plain and simple...you don't have anything to put to argument, that is pretty point blank which I assume everyone knows, Final Immunity Challenge Win = Final Choice = Move.
I don't really give a care in the world if you chose me or not to be sitting in the Finale, Cal and yourself made a choice.
Let's rewind to Challenge 3/4 where we had to build our tribe links of webs name to name, blah blah....I didn't participate in that challenge (sat out) and the rest of the couples did, if we had LOST, then myself (and my inactive) partner would be on the chopping block, my tribe will agree with me on that.
So your saying that I should have used my idol at any tribal just for the hell of it when I didn't need to? I'm sorry that I never felt in danger to use it or to use it as leverage against anyone or to help further myself?
Being with an inactive partner (see above) for that reason and the fact that the rest of my tribe were active so that DID put me in danger.
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 4, 2013 1:22:53 GMT -5
None of what you just said has merit. You did nothing more but contradict yourself, prove you're not listening and continue to back up my own points. I didn't want this finale to be drama. I wanted it to be uplifting. So I'm just going to post this and be done with it because it's clear to me you don't know what you're talking about and will continue to just argue for the sake of arguing. So good luck in the rest of the finale and I really hope the Jurors see just how little you affected & understood the game, as proven by Dexter's post and your own words.
Good luck!
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 4, 2013 1:24:31 GMT -5
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Post by Holden McCrea on May 4, 2013 8:51:35 GMT -5
I wish you would have had an open mind and not try to belittle my game because NO MATTER WHAT we played a similar game. If I had NO EFFECT at all, then you surely didn't either. I'm glad we're ALL very ACCEPTING of views and gameplay.
Goodluck!
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Post by Chloe Carter on May 4, 2013 11:03:21 GMT -5
I'm not belittling anything. I'm just saying what's true. Sorry if you don't like it.
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If you were alone, it would probably be a different story.
